Andy Curliss: Takes Ball Goes Home

I always thought that the biggest problem with the whole Robin Hayes meeting W scandal that Working For Change highlighted for us so well in this and this post was the horrible job of reporting by Andy Curliss of the News and Observer; I mean he did not even try to verify the information handed to him by the Hayes camp. Andy was faced with two competing claims, one from Kissell and one from the Hayes spokesperson. Andy immediately assumed the Hayes' claim was correct and Kissell was wrong. So I sent him an e-mail asking if he had any proof of the claims he made about Hayes actually being there.

The whole affair was rather irrelevant because the point of the story is that Hayes is a Bush lap dog (see changing vote on CAFTA to appease Bush and screw district) and is yet afraid to stand by him in public; this is true whether or not Hayes met with the president in secret after the public event. But Curliss's girl like hysterical response of: We were right. We do not listen to inaccurate blogs (note that I had not mentioned blogs or the internet at all in my first e-mail) sent me to write him and the public editor at the N&O, Ted Vaden, to push a little deeper. Curliss sent another child like response of: show me where I am wrong! So I pointed out the statements like Kissell's error, which he supported solely on the spokesperson's remarks and told him that I thought he was acting unprofessionally.

Well it has been two full days and no response from old Andy. I guess that is a bit of an admission that he may have goofed, but I would have rather him say it than just taking his ball and going home as they say. But interestingly, I ran across Curliss's article on the July 4th event with Bush (which by the way is a bit more of a propaganda piece that balanced reporting). And Guess how many times Hayes' names comes up in the story: 0! Now Andy, if you were reporting on the event and did not get to see the Robin, why do you assume he was there. I am sure that you would not leave out the sitting representative of the district would you?


Here is the graphic I was going to use

I could not get this to fit right, so I moved it down here. But if any of you tech genuises can figure out how to make it look good up in post, feel free to try.

I thought about cropping it..

but I thought it was better as a full picture.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

Also, how pathetic is Hayes site

The site is one picture and a little bit of text. It looks like they took 15 minutes and spent $50 on it. It is a little bit sad.

And that one picture

looks to be about ten years old. The FFR has put on more than a little poundage since then.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

other website

His other site,, is a lot better!


Nice link, LiberalNC!!

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."


Meant to tell you...I added a link to it from my site and will try to remember to link to it from now on in stories. It is popping up more and more often when I am researching for future posts. It once popped up on the first search page on Robin Hayes as the second entry, which is very, very good.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

I love the Bert terralert

Right Ernie?

The whole thing is disappointing

I like the Under the Dome column, but from now on I'll be wondering whether any particular section has been written by Andy and whether it may not be, well, "factually challenged." It is rewarding, though, to see that other papers got the story right. I like to imagine that Andy got at least a little talking to behind the scenes.

I doubt it....

it is fun to imagine it though. He not only got his ass handed to him by a blogger, he got scooped by a little old paper in Montgomery County. Heh....

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Ted Vaden

Have you heard from Vaden since contacting him? When Ted was editor of the Chapel Hill News, I found him to be very responsive to any concerns I had about how things were reported. He's always struck me as someone who takes the obligation of the press to be truthful, accurate, and responsive to its readers very seriously. I would be surprised if he didn't at least express regrets for the seemingly child-like responses you appear to have received from Curliss.

Keep us up to date.



I merely had him as a cc. And did not address anything to him directly. I would think of being more likely to receive something from him though.

Ted told me

simply that he was already aware of the dust-up. He's got a ton of crappy reporting to stay on top of . . . will be interesting to see if this makes it to the top of his pile.

Great follow up!

I agree that a big part of this story has been the complete lack of journalism by these writers.

By failing to do more than print the 'Kissell said - Hayes said' part of the story, Curliss confirmed that he is a gossip columnist...and a poor one at that.

Excellent detective work Cap'n

So will Curliss response however be anywhere near the mark? I see a shuffling of feet and mumbling of "nothing to see here" instead.

Be just, and fear not.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

Curliss' article becomes an NCGOP talking point

Today's NCGOP newsletter quotes the Curliss section in its entirety, placing some of Hayes' mouthpiece's words in boldface.

Wait, no—baldface. Sorry.

More people should know about blogging

It's just too bad that more people don't understand how they can go on-line and check the facts.

Too many "sheepol" just open their mouths and let the msm (the Republican Echo Chamber) feed them.

My belief is that when more people know the truth, they will demand that these media giants hire more Journalists....remember them? They use to research their articles before publishing. Unlike the "Yes" men that call themselves "reporters" today.

I would love to see the "Fairness Doctrine" reinstated.

Ok, i haven't quite gotten the hang of the link button here, so go here to read more about the Fairness Doctrine:

Even among those who could figure it out

are many people who just don't have the time to (or for whom it just isn't a priority to) chase down the facts on everything themselves. I can't really blame people for this. I stay connected because I enjoy it, and I really doubt I would nearly so much if I found it a chore.

That's why we talk to people. Face to face. Nothing is so powerful as hearing from a friend that there's more to the story than what gets reported. Nothing is a powerful as word of mouth.

Irony is that former 8th District Congressman Bill Hefner

was the champion and a primary sponsor of the Fairness Doctrine when he was our Congressman. We miss him and are glad that Larry Kissell will take his seat back soon.

Before and After

Hayes before NAFTA/CAFTA

Hayes after NAFTA/CAFTA

I guess screwing people over is bad for your ...wait for it... image.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.