After dark

Thanks to everyone for the spirit of civility and generosity on display today. I was madly disappointed at some of the outcomes, yet I see no choice but to redouble my efforts to help North Carolina find its way toward a more progressive future. Got any suggestions?

Comments

Of the sour variety, I mean

Thank you all for that.

A cure, just in case

wine press

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

A good article on libertarian paternalism

In the Chronicle of Higher Education. From what I can tell, "libertarian paternalism" is just a fancy phrase for "progressive." Of course, that's what authors of new books have to do ... dream up new words for old ideas so they can sell more stuff.

It's just creepy,

All day I've been going back and looking over the numbers and the percentages in the various races from yesterday and I swear they keep changing. WTF?

Progressive Democrats of North Carolina

They're adding in provisional ballots

...at least that's what I'm assuming. I noticed the same thing.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Thanks Betsy,

could also be my addled brain comparing the Guilford County numbers to the statewide numbers too. I think everything will be a bit more clear tomorrow.

Progressive Democrats of North Carolina

No....I think it might take longer

...at least for me. I'm so tired from pulling all-nighters that I looked at Katie at dinner and told her she had something on her teeth. Everyone stopped and looked at me and burst out laughing. You see, she got braces last week. I'm the one who took her to get braces........sigh. We laughed so hard we were all in tears.



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Provisional Ballots

I don't think they can add them in yet, they have to be separated and voted on before they are allowed to be counted. They are not allowed to be announced until the 13th.
Maybe I completely off here, but I that's what I gathered...

Levi

Levi

that's right.

Provisional ballots are not added into the official count until the votes are "canvassed" on May 13th.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

James....my thought...

Something you said recently about Easely governing with his hands cupped over his ears hit the sweet spot with me. I think we, as a group, could and ought to do more to influence our elected representatives on issues we feel are important...and to yell loud enough so they have no choice but to listen. I know there are methods/technologies available to make it easy to send BlueNC members a skeleton letter...have them flesh it out and send it on electronically via email or fax to the selected elected representatives. The NC Conservation Network does a good job helping their members communicate in just this way.

During the course of the past months I've heard several candidates asked a question on some subject and they've responded with their opinion/position. Not once did I hear any of them say something like "Well, my thoughts on this matter are such and such, but I'm open to other ideas and and to hear the views of constituents who may disagree."

We discuss a lot of views on many subjects here...and argue things vociferously...but if the candidates don't read here...or ignore what they read...we're kinda talking to the wind. I'm suggesting we find a way to periodically make our voices really heard on issues we feel are important.

Stan Bozarth

I'm with you Stan

My new litmus test is simple: Do they listen? For all the crap Bev took, I gotta hand it to her - she listened. Enough people told her to knock off the mud slinging and she finally did. Was it calculated? Sure. Was it still evidence of having an open mind and being "influence-able"? I think so. Which is why I totally agree with you. We need to call candidates and elected officials out and insist that they listen - even if they don't end up agreeing.

Great points.

It begins with education

I really think a lot of public officials are quick to tune things out when they don't understand. And if the information isn't presented in a concise manner, they don't take the time to understand. Especially if the source or the viewpoint are considered far removed from the majority. Any public official is being pulled in many directions by many different people, so time is often an extremely limited and dwindling resource. Blogging encourages verbosity. It is simply the way of the medium and those who write. Sometimes I think if things were presented to the officials, to the candidates, to those who need to know, in a more direct, often mathematical way, we'd benefit and they would learn.

I am listening

I get many good ideas from the BlueNC crew. Add that to one-on-one interaction with voters, willingness to listen to opposing views (yes, right wing blogs do get you thinking...), and I'm about halfway to understanding the issues and how to make progress on them.

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Ed, good people like you make it a point to listen and

consider opposing views. I expect if you end up disagreeing with someone you also honestly and factually answer why you chose to do so. Folks aren't always going to agree. I can respect someone's opposing view as long as they will communicate their reasons with understandable logic and fact-based rationale.

Stan Bozarth

Jerry Meek endorses Obama

In case anyone missed this on The Dome:

Jerry Meek, NC Democratic Party chairman and a superdelegate, said this afternoon that he had decided to support Obama months ago but did not want to interfere with the state's primary.

"Over the past year, I've watched as Barack Obama has drawn countless new people to the political process. Although my position as State Chair has led me to remain neutral through the primary, I've quietly celebrated as Barack Obama offered new hope to millions of Americans who have lost faith in the American dream after years of disastrous Republican policies. Rarely does a public servant emerge with Barack Obama's ability to unite our country and produce real change. With Barack Obama as our nominee, North Carolina can deliver its electoral votes to a Democrat and Democratic candidates up and down the ballot will benefit. Barack Obama offers the best chance to take back the White House, elect countless democrats down-ballot, and breathe new life into the Democratic Party."

I don't understand this advice from the AG's office.

Anybody got a logical explanation for this (directing colleges not to admit illegal immigrant kids who've gone to high school in NC) that doesn't involve the phrase, "It's an election year."?

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Just another reason why we need to build a wall...

...around each campus! Sheesh. It's not the children's fault they are .. nevermind. Choir. Preaching. Done.

True ...

but sometimes, with the right preaching, the choir sings loud enough to be heard on Jones St. :)

So illegal immigrant kids can join the military and fight for us, but the best and brightest among them can't go to college at NC system schools. That is effing stoopid.

And when they've served their tour and qualify for GI bill money ... NC system colleges will be closed to them. Even more effin stoopid.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Exactly!

All because they chose to come here illegally when they were either in diapers or in utero. Punish them, I say. If they survive deployment! I am right with you - effing stoopid.

Hello? Are you all there? NO

Hello? Are you all there? NO illegals cannot join the military. Only legal residents can. Nice try but know your facts first.

Oh, that's right!

D'oh! They can only clean our houses, raise our children, cut our lawns, build our houses, work in substandard turkey processing plants, and other fun jobs like that.

Thanks!

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Yeah, yeah, yeah

Yet the Marines run their awesome recruitment ads on Spanish Language teevee ... in spanish. Are they recruiting legal foreign students? Legal farm workers? Legal construction workers? Are they targeting the kids they call "anchor babies" (who still don't speak american) that all those illegal immigrant parents ran over here and dropped fifteen, twenty years ago? Recruit the kid, but send illegal mom & dad home? Awesome idea. End snark.

Mr. Terrell, it seems the lines are being blurred more and more every day between this tirade your party is engaged in and all immigration from Mexico and central America. Where are the lines? Do you know any more? Can you tell a legal latino immigrant from an illegal latino immigrant, smart as you are? Of course you can't. You can't even communicate with them to ask any questions if they don't speak English, but the language they speak is no indication of their status as green card or no green card. If you cannot tell one from the other, how is the guy who's frustration and anger YOU are intentionally fueling supposed to figure it out?

The answer is easy. He won't figure it out. He'll treat all latinos the same. You can guess what's going to start happening in the streets.

Here's a few tips: Solve the problem of 1) the minimum wage being well below what any American family needs to live when both adults in the household are working, 2) fix NAFTA to stop the flooding of Mexican and south American commodity markets with cheap American corn and grains, and 3) effectively address companies in the US who recruit and hire illegal immigrants because they know those men and women will never complain about working conditions and never report regulatory violations to the State. (This includes imposing crippling fines on them and/or throwing a few CEOs in jail for a few months.)

If you do those three things, Mr. Terrell, I can assure you, you will be well on your way to solving this "problem" without hiring special state immigration officers or building new holding prisons or providing transportation south to hundreds of thousands of people who will begin looking for another way back to the US before they even get back home.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Hurry up and run.

Leslie, I would vote for you in a heart-beat.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

Sorry, forgot to ad, you're right ...

I didn't check the details. Here's the facts from the Arizona Republic:

Hundreds of thousands of undocumented-immigrant youths could become eligible to join the military to offset shortages of qualified recruits under a bill pending in Congress.

Intense public opposition forced the Senate in June to abandon an immigration bill that included a path to citizenship for undocumented youths.

The proposal still has a strong chance of passing if backers in Congress are successful in attaching it to the annual defense-authorization bill this fall.

The Development Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act would allow undocumented high-school graduates to gain citizenship if they either attend college for two years or serve two years in the military.

And it wasn't always that legal residents could serve. That is new with this President and his grand misadventures in the near and middle east. From the Arizona Republic again,

With the demands in Afghanistan and Iraq, the United States began offering legal immigrants a chance to expedite citizenship applications for themselves and relatives if they enlisted.

Roughly 70,000 immigrants serve in the military, and about 40,000 are non-citizens. Immigrants make up about 5 percent of the total 1.4 million men and women on active duty.

A 2005 study by the Center for Naval Analysis reported that non-citizens are less likely to drop out of the military shortly after enlisting than are citizens and that non-citizens are significantly less likely to drop out after three years.

The bill was proposed six years ago as a way for undocumented minors brought to this country by their parents to get an education so they could achieve their full potential as tax-paying members of society.

With the military having trouble meeting recruiting goals and the public wary about any bill resembling amnesty for undocumented immigrants, supporters of the DREAM Act are playing up the bill's military provisions over its educational benefits. Unlike legal immigrants with permanent residency green cards, undocumented immigrants are barred from enlisting in the military.

"The DREAM Act would address a very serious recruitment crisis that faces our military," Sen. Dick Durbin, the bill's author, said on the Senate floor in July while trying to muster support for the DREAM Act to be attached to the annual defense-authorization bill.

Durbin wasn't successful, but Sandra Abrevaya, a Durbin spokeswoman, said that the Illinois Democrat will try again, possibly as early as this month.

The DREAM Act has broad bipartisan support in Congress.

I like it.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Brooks and Doonan in runoff?

Is there going to be a runoff that will cost the taxpayers of North Carolina a couple of million dollars for Labor Commish?

"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy

Provisionals have to be counted

and there could actually be a recount - automatic recount because bottom three are so close, though I haven't checked recently just how close they are. After that, then there will be a runoff for Labor Commissioner.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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2004 Supt. of Public Instruction runoff

Flashback to 2004 - Democratic runoff for Supt. of Public Instruction cost the taxpayers $3.5 million and had a turnout of 3%

"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy

Go vote for Larry!!

Progressive Patriots is giving away cash to the winner. Vote for Larry!!!

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Vote often!

You can vote for this one time per browser session! All they need is an email, and zip.

This would be great for Larry and everybody here in the 8th.

Road trip to Denver

I am going out to Denver even if I don't get picked to be a delegate. I will be driving and figure if I can get 4 other people to go along (I have a mini van) it will cost about $175 a piece round trip (gas + motel room one night each way)

Any one interested?

"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy