2nd Amendment Rights

As a Democratic competitive shooter and hunter, I would ask Mr. Carter's view on the 2nd Amendment and gun control in general. Frequently I attend competitive shooting matches in the tri-state area with semi-automatic rifles (traditionally called high-power matches by shooting enthusiasts). Will Mr. Carter protect my right to carry firearms, own and shoot semi-automatic weapons (dubbed assault rifles by the uninformed), and carry concealed? This is a very important topic; so important in fact that the Supreme Court will rule on it in the next month or so. I feel the right to keep and bear arms is not negotiable and is as important as the first or fourth amendments. Often times political candidates say they support hunting and sportsmen afield as a way of deflecting the their actual views on gun control. What do you think?

James Rivers - Watauga County North Carolina

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James Rivers

Do you want the right to have a bunch of these too? Just trying to bracket and halve the discussion so I know exactly what we're really talking about here.

You have to admit

That's funny.

Since I'm among the uninformed who do not understand the use/purpose of the semi-automatic in hunting or any other sports activity, could you please, Mr. Rivers, explain to me what the purpose of a semi-automatic is?

Betsy, it's the damn deer.

They're getting better and better weapons all the time, and hunters have to keep up.

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Ok, I did a little research

(very little, actually), but this is what I understand: A semi-automatic enables a hunter to get his/her shots off more quickly, just as one would assume from the description "semi-automatic."
They are used by different hunters for different purposes. Some prefer 'em for birds, for example, because of the speed. Not sure why they're called "semi-automatic" instead of just automatic, but maybe that, too, is about speed.

Rat-a-tat-tat.

The argument about hunting is going to fade from view as available lands are being gobbled up and habitats destroyed. Those canned hunt places are going to proliferate (regretttably). A canned hunt isn't really hunting, of course. Animals are kept within a confined space and fat cats or just plain idiots pay thousands of dollars for the privilege of shooting at a critter accustomed to being fed in a given spot each day.

Hunting is dying. We're going to all get used to reading about cities or towns hiring people -- not hunters -- but snipers rather, to wipe out pesky deer herds that have been eating ornamental gardens and getting in the way of traffic. These professional groups will replace the hunter as surely as concrete replaces forest.

My cheerful two cents on this topic.

Yes, Robert.

Did something I said suggest otherwise?

It still takes less time; it's still considered faster. My source tells me his aim is less sure with a semi-, but that he uses it for getting faster shots off.

Oh, I get it. You're answering (rather cryptically) as to the distinction between semi-automatic and automatic.

I was responding to this:

Not sure why they're called "semi-automatic" instead of just automatic, but maybe that, too, is about speed.

Automatic weapons keep firing until empty when you pull the trigger, at least in my experience. Semi-automatic weapons require you to pull, release, pull, release. BUT, you don't have to work an "action", such as this .30-30 level action.



Or, a bolt action.


Or, the old pull action that I can't find pictures of today.

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Thanks, Robert

Those pictures make a difference. It's kind of embarrassing to have grown up in the South all my life and not have more familiarity than I do with this culture. No one in my family hunted, though,so the subject just never came up around the family table.

Since then I've had to learn a bit about it, though not as one who actually hunts. (And hell, I'm a vegetarian.)

We are seeing, though, such a rapid loss of lands for habitat that I don't think we've got more than a couple of generations left of those who will carry on whatever traditions for hunting existed in their families.

Hunting traditions

Loss of habitat is indeed the single most important factor facing hunting and wildlife. Since hunting and wildlife go together, it may be correlated that when there is no hunting left then there will be no wildlife. I find it particularly interesting that people move into the mountains that my family has lived and hunted in since the Revolutionary War and say I shouldn't hunt or shoot. They come here for various reasons: Lack of crime, beauty, great place to raise kids, etc. They never consider why this place is beautiful, why there is a lack of crime, why it's a great place to raise kids. Maybe, just maybe, it is because us dumb old hillbilly rednecks kept the wolves at bay for over 200 years (yes with guns). And they now purport to know what is best? If they knew what was best then why didn't they fix the problems in whatever screwed up place they came from? They don't want me to hunt, yet they build houses in places that I used to hunt. Almost hypocritical if you ask me. They post the hell out of their land, yet hike on mine (mine is NOT POSTED). I plant crops (apples, corn and deer clover) for the wildlife. They have finely manicured lawns that give no cover to animals that really need it (rabbits and grouse). They cut down the Hawthorne Berry bushes as being ugly (a great grouse food), and plant them back with exotics that have absolutly no value to the wildlife. They wouldn't know an old variety apple (Virginia Beauty, Stamen Winesap, Rusty Coat, WinterJohn, Big Ben Davis) if it hit them in the head and could care less as they cut them down when they buy a piece of property. They ridicule me as a redneck, yet sure seem interested to buy my families land for further destruction (who is the stupid person here?)

I was driving to Blowing Rock the other day with a buddy and stopped at a gas station for gas. Some crabby old lady and her husband actually had the gall to ask me why I carried weapons in a gun rack (they were my buddies). I asked them how she felt about driving a deadly weapon at which point she stuttered and stammered her way back into her gas guzzling boat of a car. Her mouth was still moving rapidly as she drove away. It was very confusing what she was getting at. I wonder if Coach Carter would have a problem with me and my guns in a gun rack at a station that I have done business at the better part of 35 years? She didn't see my concealed, high capacity 9mm that I carry constantly, but I am sure she wouldn't have approved of that either.

I am a Democrat, but not your typical one. I believe in the environment, the right to keep and bear arms and personal responsibility. I put my money where my mouth is. I plant food for wildlife, pay expensive hunting license fees, and harvest my fair share of game. If this somehow makes me an ignorant Democrat then I am guilty as judged (notice I don't judge anyone here).

James Rivers

James Rivers

James Rivers

Mr. Rivers,

What in the world does this mean?

Since hunting and wildlife go together, it may be correlated that when there is no hunting left then there will be no wildlife.

Sounds like you are insinuating that stopping hunting would mean an end to wildlife. The two may be correlated, but there is no causal link in the direction you seem to mean. Is is true that if there is no more wildlife there will be no hunting left, but it is certainly NOT true that if there is no hunting left there will be no wildlife. So what exactly did you mean by the line? Or was it just kind of fluff?

Hunting and Wildlife

No, I am not insinuating that stopping hunting would mean an end to wildlife. I am saying it is so (and not casually). In nearly every area of the world where hunting has been stopped or disallowed, wildlife has suffered to the point that many species simply don't exist. Take Zimbabwe under Mugabee for instance. With his regime in power professional hunting guides were put out of business and expelled from the country. His population is starving in many instances, and they are going after animals to eat. The killing is on the industrial scale; not to simply feed a few villagers. Here in the United States the passenger pigeon exists no more. Why? They were not protected by hunting laws, seasons, or hunter funded wildlife programs and are, as a result, extinct.

Take the deer population in Florida in the late 70's. With skyrocketing deer numbers biologists warned of a population crash born of disease and starvation. They recommended allowing an extended season by hunters to cull the excess. Greenpeace and other animal rights extremists, argued long and hard that they would trap and relocate deer. In short, they stopped the deer hunt. Aside from trapping ONE deer, they did nothing. Deer in Florida, 30 years later, have yet to recover in many areas.

The Gray Wolf. It has been restocked in many parts of the west. Now that numbers have reached sustainable levels, the same extremist groups that stopped the Florida deer hunt are at it again. They don't want hunters hunting the very animals that exist due to Wildlife recovery programs funded by HUNTERS. Amazing!!!! Astounding!!! What they are sure not to tell you is the reason many wildlife agencies are pushing for the hunt is because the overwhelming numbers of wolves in many areas are killing deer and elk at such a rate that hunters are not buying licenses. No license fees means no game wardens to protect against poachers, no wildlife biologists to study and monitor herds and basically vast dearths of animals.

So yes I say that no hunting means no animals. Here in Watauga County the bobwhite quail is rare. Is wasn't rare 30 years ago. 30 year ago hunters (many of whom were farmers at the time) engaged in land use practices that benefited quail and rabbits. Those same farms are now subdivisions. Hunters cannot hunt in those subdivisions and the resulting loss of wildlife is breathtaking. Hunters need areas to hunt. With those areas come wildlife programs designed to, guess what?, promote wildlife. Areas of the state with high numbers of hunters, have high numbers of animals.

Not sure how you will cherry pick this one, but it ain't fluff. You may not advocate hunting, however I might ask what you have done for the wildlife lately? Do you plant food plots? Do you manage your land to promote wildlife. What do you do? Or do you engage in fluff rhetoric against those with whom you don't agree.

Two detailed postings from a hunter and a 2 1/2 sentences from a non hunter. Go figure.

James Rivers

James Rivers

Why hunters matter

An easier way to put this would be that without hunters, a sizeable constituency that pushes for habitat preservation would be lost.

Without the advocacy that hunter contribute to the cause, other environmental groups would lose a key support when it comes to getting legislation passed to keep air, land and water clean.

Hunters have an undeserved bad rap. By far, most are conscientious and law abiding, and concerned about more than whether a given weapon fires. Of course, as with other groups, a few bad apples can stand out and seem to represent the bunch.

I can live with that.

I can live with that. Nicely put. Whether we all agree or not, some good comes from all involved.

James Rivers

James Rivers

A couple of things

I plant food for wildlife, pay expensive hunting license fees, and harvest my fair share of game.

This is fairly diverse community, mostly liberal, with a few conservatives here and there to keep us straight on the evils of Big Government. As such, you will find a larger-than-normal percentage of vegetarians and those with pro-animal rights opinions. You can couch it in whatever terms you feel will make it sound less bloody, but "harvesting game" is still killing animals. Increasing populations so more animals can be killed is hard to sell as a "humanitarian" effort, and I hope you can see the reasons why.

At any rate, hunting, and the other two things you mentioned (semi-automatics & handgun carry) are vastly different issues, and lumping them together (by either side) is one of the reasons why the Second Amendment is being tested so much these days. There are guns that are designed (and marketed) to kill animals and guns that are designed (and marketed) to kill people. Even in that second (kill people) category, public opinion is mixed:

Nearly three out of four Americans oppose banning people from owning handguns (more than 60 percent, however, want to see assault rifles and automatic weapons banned).

The reason it's mixed is very simple: you don't need an AK-47 to protect your home.

You can count me as one of the "preserve the 2nd Amendment" crowd, but you can also count me as one who thinks the gun rights lobby who successfully advocated for the expiration and non-renewal of the assault rifle ban is jeopardizing the 2nd Amendment more than any other entity.

Killing animals

I am unable to see the reasons why it is bad to kill animals. When deer die via starvation is a pretty horrible death. When a deer dies via coyotes or other predators it is even more horrible. Now tell me how my bullet is worse than a gang of coyotes tearing and then eating the guts from a deer while it is still living. Sorry to be graphic, but that is the way it is. Why I DO think it is a good thing to hunt and eat the game that I have killed equates to the fact humans are predators. They always have been. I am a predator and killing my own natural meat (no preservatives, fat, or hormones involved) is a pretty down to earth fact. I am proud of it and will continue to be. In fact it is part of my culture and has been since recorded history. Going by your rules, does that mean American Indians were somehow remiss in killing and eating buffalo? Or fish? Indians that hunt in todays world are murderers by your definition and should become vegetarians? The Cherokee tribe here in NC continues to hunt and fish as part of their heritage. Oh yeah and by the way, the reason those noble red-men are still here is because they resisted by armed means (they didn't submit to the trail of tears event in which an out of control government disarmed and then repressed a segment of society). They didn't give their arms up by those who said they would be better off by doing so. We can all take a lesson from that one and several other similar historical events.

As I have said before in several different posts, I make a distinction between hunting and the second amendment. In fact, my lead in post indicates such. Re-read it and see for yourself. It is the anti-gun politicians who first started this "lumping" together of issues. In fact, Obama and Clinton both do it as we write this piece. I would like to know how semi-automatics are marketed to kill people? Does that mean knives are marketed to slice people up? Does that mean matches cause arson? Talk about "lumping" something together, that is hypocrisy if I have ever saw it. Semi-automatics, like all other firearms, are designed to do one thing; send a projectile out the end of the barrel. The manner in which the user uses the firearm is the issue.

Who are you to tell me what I need to protect my home? I use high capacity semi-autos to protect my home, to hunt with, and to shoot competitively. I don't purport to tell you that you shouldn't drive, buy box cutters, or any other activity. I am not my brother's keeper. Since semi-automatics constitute a very small percentage of the weapons that cause crime, then why not go after the weapons that really do the damage? A majority of people in the United States say we need no new gun laws on the books, and that enforcement of existing laws is adequate. This is the most recent of the "gun polls", and surprise, surprise; it receives almost no media coverage.

Personal responsibility will do far more to positively affect society than will more laws, rules and regulations.

James Rivers

James Rivers

I'm not going to address the hunting/meat thing.

Personal responsibility will do far more to positively affect society than will more laws, rules and regulations.

We need both. We need personal responsibility, and we hope that adults who live in social contract with us behave responsibly. But there are adults who sometimes don't behave responsibly - for example, the men who hunted on my land even though it is clearly posted. I needed the laws and regulations then to have some "back up" to go to them about the problem, and ask them to stop. I had to let one of them know I would call the authorities. That backed up my request, and he began behaving responsibly.

It seems like we can have a reasonable conversation. I don't know enough about guns to talk about which ones you should have and which ones you shouldn't. I'll leave that to the hunters and veterans who post here. I choose not to have one in my home.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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guns

Fair enough. If you don't want or wish to have guns in your home then you shouldn't. The thing that gets us gun owners wound up is not having the same choice to have guns in our homes/lives. This is what I have been driving at for some time now. Our politicians need to find another "witch hunt" to prosecute, and leave us the hell alone. Many ideals promulgated by Democrats might actually gain traction and support from folks like me if they would shut up (and not vote for anti-gun legislation) on the gun thing. Hey, lets save the environment. Lets make our nation stronger through prudent policy. Gun owners and hunters are not that much different than anti-gunners and anti-hunters. We generally want land set aside to hunt and shoot on that might normally otherwise be developed. Anti-hunters and shooters tend to want that very same land to set aside for wildlife and outdoor recreation. Why not work together towards that goal? What harm is a public shooting range on a large tract of land that is purchased by funds from a combined effort on both our parts? Same thing- what harm is it to shooters and hunters if someone wants to bird-watch, ride mountain bikes, swim in clean streams and hike back country trails. There are still some key areas of land that could be bought and held in public trust (with both our views supported)if such a movement were to start. Boy wouldn't it be a grand thing for a grassroots effort of that kind to start!!! Politicians might finally be held accountable for NOT taking care of the environment. Heck, I know many fellow hunter/shooters who would support such a situation.

James Rivers

James Rivers

Well, I wouldn't spend my recreation time

any where near a shooting range, but I get your point, there are some shared environmental concerns.

he thing that gets us gun owners wound up is not having the same choice to have guns in our homes/lives.

Please correct me if I'm wrong - but don't you already have that right? You have guns, don't you?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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rights

Yes we do have that right Linda. I would clarify by saying 'keep that right'

James Rivers

James Rivers

Weapons

Remember Charles Lee Whitman? You know, the University of Texas Bell Tower Shooter. He used a bolt action like the one pictured above to kill 18 students. He was stopped from killing far more by students who retrieved their personally owned rifles. These students kept Mr. Whitman pinned down until police and more armed citizens could ascend the tower steps and kill him. Motivations of the shooter are far more important than the weapon involved. Take the beltway snipers. Much was made of the fact they used a Bushmaster AR-15 Assault weapon. What wasn't aired is the fact that most shots fired were single, well aimed shots. The Assault Weapons capacity for firing multiple shots never came into play for Malvo. Again, assault weapons are used in an extremely small percentage of crimes as assault weapons are rather difficult to manipulate by those not trained to do it. Gang Bangers and other criminals do not seek out assault weapons as most criminals are not well versed in weaponcraft. For that matter, most police aren't either. Many speciality courses exist at places like Blackwater to teach patrol rifle classes to police officers who have access to assault weapons but do not know how to use them. For that matter, many civilian assault weapons courses are attended by police departments. Assault weapons are not the problem. Lax laws, repeat criminals and a tort society are.

James Rivers

James Rivers

cute

It helps if one does not approach each post he/she doesn't agree with by spouting one line quips filled with emotion and nothing else

James Rivers

James Rivers

Read again

Remember Charles Lee Whitman? You know, the University of Texas Bell Tower Shooter. He used a bolt action like the one pictured above to kill 18 students. He was stopped from killing far more by students who retrieved their personally owned rifles. These students kept Mr. Whitman pinned down until police and more armed citizens could ascend the tower steps and kill him. Motivations of the shooter are far more important than the weapon involved. Take the beltway snipers. Much was made of the fact they used a Bushmaster AR-15 Assault weapon. What wasn't aired is the fact that most shots fired were single, well aimed shots. The Assault Weapons capacity for firing multiple shots never came into play for Malvo. Again, assault weapons are used in an extremely small percentage of crimes as assault weapons are rather difficult to manipulate by those not trained to do it. Gang Bangers and other criminals do not seek out assault weapons as most criminals are not well versed in weaponcraft. For that matter, most police aren't either. Many speciality courses exist at places like Blackwater to teach patrol rifle classes to police officers who have access to assault weapons but do not know how to use them. For that matter, many civilian assault weapons courses are attended by police departments. Assault weapons are not the problem. Lax laws, repeat criminals and a tort society are.

James Rivers

James Rivers

James Rivers

We purposely feed deer in our back woods

which are copiously marked with NO HUNTING signs. We are rewarded with visitors to our back yard in early morning and early evening. I love watching them.

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A lot of people do this

And I can appreciate how enjoyable this would be. The only concern I have about it is that any activity that reduces a deer's fear of humans is ultimately unhealthy for the deer.

Yikes!

I trust they respect your property boundaries.

Smiling sweetly.

They do now. >blink

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Why, didja shoot 'em?

;-)

I'm a weird sort of leftist that is enthusiastic about private arms ownership.

In lieu of a treatise on political philosophy, I will offer a historical example that informs my perspective.

The Spanish Republicans who fought to preserve their democracy in the 1930s were under-armed and under-equipped in the face of Franco's rebellion. The result was 40 years of Fascist dictatorship, and the systematic imprisonment and murder of tens of thousands of people who had fought for the legitimate, democratically-elected government of Manuel Azaña.

America's "arsenal of democracy" never did a thing for the Spanish Republicans.

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Oddly, no, I didn't shoot them,

Oddly, no, I didn't shoot them, wiseass, er, Branden. I knew who they were, I went to their house, and asked them not to hunt on the land where the big sign says "Posted, No Hunting." Even though they be hunters, and I don't, we seem to speak similar languages, so we were able to understand each other.

Quite well. (I made it clear I wouldn't hesitate to call in the po-lice.)

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Amazing!

Incredible. It reminds me of a quote from George H. W. Bush:

I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.

It's amazing how such radically different species as liberal child-welfare advocate and selectively-literate suburban-wildlife-hunter can learn to get along...

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remarkable, even.

They are mostly nice folks. There is only one I don't really care for, and it's got nothing to do with him being a hunter. He's just an ass.

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Short on consideration

I'm glad to hear that things are mostly amicable...but it still strikes me as a jerk thing for neighbhors to have done: "oh, the previous guy moved out, so these 'no hunting' signs are suddenly meaningless".

I would probably react with great alarm to people showing up on my property with guns. I have read that in Texas, that kind of thing would get a person shot. I assume your reputation didn't precede you, or it's even worse. "Sure, it's all right to hunt over there now. The woman who lives there is some f*ckin' liberal, what's she gonna do?"

I may be pretty hard-core about gun rights, but I also strongly disapprove of open carrying, because (duh) guns intimidate. I don't cotton to people trying to intimidate their neighbors.

I guess all of this is to say you handled the situation much better than I'm afraid I would have! I probably would have called the police first and gone around for the friendly "hello-and-funnily-enough-that-sign-still-means-what-it-says" meet-and-greet later.

Maybe I've just met too many colossal assholes? :)

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I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

We didn't really get a chance to talk, did we?

I can be pretty forceful in person. :)

In the case of the one ass, yeah, he was trying to intimidate. I figured showing up at his front door and talking to him face to face was the last thing he would have expected. And I asked to speak to him and his wife together. And I took my big black dog with me, who I swear to god growls on cue.

It's all worked out. We've become the pet yankees, or something to the rest of the neighbors. The kids love me because I talk to them, and my better-half is a computer genius, so now they don't have to call the geek squad, they call Grace. In return, our lawnmower gets fixed when it needs it, we got help digging a drain to keep our garage from flooding after they paved the road. It's all good.

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open carry

If open carry intimidates like you intimate, then police shouldn't carry their arms in the open? Many states require open carry if you don't have a concealed carry permit. No problems that I can see. Does this also mean you think I shouldn't carry my guns in a gunrack in my vehicle? Remember, blanket laws for firearms are a nightmare once they are enacted.

James Rivers

James Rivers

Maybe they shouldn't

I'm not dogmatic about this particular point, so if you don't argue as if you're talking to a brick wall, you might be able to change my mind.

If...

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Hunters

Linda,

You seem to revel in the fact you don't allow hunters to hunt on your property. Not sure which county you live in, however you might do well to take a step or two back and take a birds eye view on hunters in Western North Carolina. In may native Watauga County, there were very few deer from around the turn of the century until the early 90s. Then something wonderful happened. The North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission, at the urging of hunters, enacted a stocking program to stock deer and turkey back into Watauga County. The deer season was closed for five years while this effort took place (mainly in western Watauga County). The end result can be seen in the backyards (like yours) and farms of Watauga County. Deer and turkey are at all time highs. And it is due to hunters. Linda, did you buy a hunting license? Hunters did and do which means we bear the fiscal responsibility of virtually all wildlife programs in the state. The deer you enjoy so much (and ironically post against hunting) are there because of hunters. Believe it or not, us hunters also love watching them also. Some may be taken each year to keep the numbers in check, but remember that without hunters they would't be there at all. Hunters don't exist unless there is something to hunt. It is as simple as that. In Africa for instance, many nations that have undergone civil wars consequently outlawed hunting in their countries. The results were dramatic and sad. Lions, leapords, elephant, Cape Buffalo, and most especially Rhino were nearly wiped out. Why was this? Well it is simple. Not hunters to pay the license fees meant no Wildlife programs or enforcement. No programs or enforcement means no numbers control and widespread poaching. This equals no animals. Hunters in the United States ensure this is not the case here. It is your property and you may do as you wish on it (unless Robert P. has anything to do with it such as mandatory government inspections to see if you are feeding the deer the right kind of food), but you might be a little more friendly to the hunters that made it so you can enjoy your deer.

James Rivers

James Rivers

James Rivers

Mr. Rivers,

I live in Moore County. I don't own the property I live on, I rent it. Our landlord is a hunter himself, and he made the decision that there would be no hunting the small piece of wood. The deer are in no danger of over-running the neighborhood, nor are they in danger of starving. Besides the apples, corn and nuts we put out for them, my "yard" is woods, filled with wild apple, hawthorne, various nut trees, all kinds of native NC plant live that deer and other animals thrive on. The fenced area is meant only to keep my dogs in, not to keep the wildlife out.

And yes, I am very happy about enforcing the no hunting on the land I live on. The hunters in my neighborhood thought that when my landlord moved out of this house and we moved in, the posted signs meant nothing. They found out differently when I confronted them. (not while they were hunting, but at their front doors). I asked them to respect the signs and my property. They do. And we are friendly - we are neighbors. I know them, they know me, and we respect each other.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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No hunting

Linda,

When you said "we" in the posting of the land, I could only think it was you and maybe a significant other. Great to hear you get along with your neighbors. The posting of land is certainly a homeowers right. I keep my land open to hunters, hikers, fishermen and nature lovers in general. I have found hunters to be an excellent, non-expensive method of watching after my property. There are many deer and turkey on my property, and hunters know if things are left as they are, then they will continue to have the opportunity to hunt. Many times they call me with information pertaining to out of control ATV riders and once a hippie pot smoking party.

James Rivers

James Rivers

Damn hippies.

and once a hippie pot smoking party.

that's too funny. If you were an author trying to make up "you", there couldn't be a better passage.

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South Park.

Hippies! Hippies all around me! Agh! /cartman voice.

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hippies

I wondered if someone wouldn't bite off on the hippie comment. I don't really care if the rainbow people party and smoke pot - good for them. I just don't like it when they trash my land. Building extremely large (and I mean big) bonfires with no means to contain it if it gets out of hand and large amounts of trash discarded are not what I consider neighborly traits. I didn't call the police, didn't get violent, didn't really do anything except ask them to pick up all the trash and extinguish the fire. Like I said, I am pretty tolerant of people, even the pot smoking crowd. Thanks to the hunters hunting on my property for telling me about it.

James Rivers

James Rivers

The land I live on is sacred to me.

I try to walk it every couple of days, to see what changes have happened - especially now in the spring, it's just a wonder-land. I walk as gently as I can, and try to let Nature happen around me.

I've also found that if I sit really still and center myself, I become part of it. You can imagine why we don't want hunting there.

The ATV's drive me crazy - I did call the sheriff because of them. They'll just destroy everything.

I won't say anything about the hippies and their party -- they might have been friends of mine. :-D

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natures and hippies

Then perhaps you will enjoy nature with some of your hippie friends on my land someday. Hope you do. Fine with me. If I were to be in the area checking on it, I would politely ask you if you were having a nice day, tell you to watch out for rattlesnakes, and be on my way. You would notice a gun or two, I am sure, but my guns wouldn't be a big deal to you as you puffing a giant doobie wouldn't unduly alarm me (I have never smoked pot and never will).

Speaking of rattlesnakes, did you know they are now protected in NC? It is about time. I love seeing rattlesnakes and am thrilled at owning property that is excellent habitat for these misunderstood critters. The simple fact that us humans still have to watch our step in our overly mundane world excites me. There is still a creature that can kill a human. Wow!!! Amazing. More power to Crotalus horridus horridus (timber rattlesnake). I have seen some real monsters in a rocky area they seem to frequent. I once saw two coiled together and wondered if they were mating.

Now some will call me crazy for my radical views. Good. Maybe they are the crazy ones. I know what I like - the environment, guns,and freedom. If we work to keep all three then we cannot go wrong.

As for the ATVs, they give me the most problems of all. I am talking about the recreational riders who like to zoom up steep hills and race. They tear huge trenches in the topsoil which washes and eventually becomes a steep ditch. In one weekend they can do enough damage to cause me several days of backbreaking work to get everything back to normal. And when you catch them they are about as rude a bunch as I have ever seen. I caught one young idiot as he rounded a sharp bend in the road. I was standing there with a double barrel shotgun (see, I didn't have one of those darned assault weapons as the shotgun was the better gun in this case) and he nearly turned over trying to stop. In the ensuing confrontation he refused to give me ID or take his helment off and actually cursed at me. To make a long story short he gave up both the helment and ID when I started to blast his ATV to smithereens. No problems from him or his brother, but there are others that I am having a hard time catching up to.

Some of those guys that hunt my land use ATVs. They know how I feel about ATVs in general and tread very lightly. This is a case where I would revoke hunting if they were to cause damage.

Speaking of hunting methods, I enjoy hunting entirely on foot. You mentioned becoming part of nature. I feel much the same way when I do a backcountry hunt on foot. Sitting on a large rock outcropping with no manmade sounds is pure soulfood for which I have an insatiable appetite. Slipping along some dim mountain path , sucking up every ounce of mother natures gift of spiritual freedom, gives me strength. Strength to get through this increasingly complicated and ever-changing world.

James Rivers

James Rivers

I use an ATV on my land for yard work

It is possible to ride them for enjoyment without tearing up the land. Uwharrie has trails we can ride on for $5 / day if we want to go crazy. I'm sure most people who ride them for hunting are not out doing donuts and churning the grass / topsoil. That would scare off the critters. We don't own enough land for hunting - or really riding for pleasure - but it is possible to enjoy riding without tearing up your surroundings.

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Not everyone who rides an ATV is as careful.

It looks like it would be fun if you were careful and had the right space for it. My yard and woods aren't the right space! :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Uwharrie

Betsy,

I have hunted the Uwharries on many occasions. I also hear you have some large Timber Rattlesnakes down that way. I believe the state record largest Timber Rattlesnake came from the Uwharries. You are correct that ATVs can be ridden carefully to avoid destroying the environment. Have fun.

James Rivers

James Rivers

Misunderstood critters

Stop talking like you're surrounded by foes, James ("Now some will call me crazy for my radical views. Good."). You may be surprised at the common ground you can find.

I, for one, think we ought to reintroduce wolves to rural areas across the U.S. to get the deer population under control.

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

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misunderstood

If you would peruse the posts you would see that many who don't agree with my views try the name calling and denouncement method. I notice you say nothing to those folks. Why is that? Because you agree with them? I have already addressed the common ground stuff you are talking about. If you are content with being a cheerleader, then try and cheer in a manner equal to all.

I don't want wolves reientroduced across the east. Deer populations can, and are, controlled by hunters.

James Rivers

James Rivers

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